New stop sign could slow Holcomb

City Manager Jonathan Smith illustrates where a stop sign could be added to Holcomb Street at Washington. Photo by Phil Custodio

Clarkston News Editor
Council member Jason Kneisc called for a stop sign and pedestrian-crossing sign on southbound Holcomb Street at Washington Street.
The addition would make the intersection, just to the west of downtown, a three-way stop. There are currently stop signs on both sides of Washington, but traffic on Holcomb doesn’t stop at the intersection.
Due to a jurisdictional quirk in the map, the city can place a stop sign on Holcomb facing south, heading towards Deer Lake, but not on the northbound side. That sign would have to be authorized by the Road Commission for Oakland County.
“If we put a stop sign with the stop-for-pedestrian-traffic sign on our portion of Holcomb, I think that would greatly reduce the speed,” Kneisc said. “It could potentially help the county decide to put in a stop sign coming north on Holcomb.”
Council member Scott Reynolds said it could be confusing to drivers.
However, the crosswalk sign, which would be identical to the $450, spring-loaded pedestrian sign on Main Street at Church Street, would lessen confusion, Reynolds said.
The intersection is currently marked with crosswalk stripes, painted on the pavement.
“The three-way stop makes me nervous, (but) I like the pedestrian-crossing sign idea,” said Council member Rick Detkowski.
People would become familiar with it, said Kneisc said.
“The whole point is, this is what we’re doing to make the community safer,” he said. “We’d still have to rely on people to obey traffic laws – right now, it’s just a speedway.”
“If we had that stop sign and pedestrian crosswalk, it would click with people,” said Council member Sharron Catallo.
Council member Susan Wylie said they should consult with a professional traffic engineer to see if it’s a good idea for safety.
City Manager Jonathan Smith will check with RCOC to see if a county official can attend the next meeting to answer questions and provide more information.

2 Responses to "New stop sign could slow Holcomb"

  1. Michael Powell   January 25, 2018 at 11:23 am

    The only thing that will “click with people” is the metal crashing sound they’ll be hearing if the city were to turn a 4-way intersection into a 3-way stop. It’s amazing that there are some council members who are willing to put lives at risk by considering to make an intersection unsafe in order to “potentially help the county decide to put a stop sign in” on the counties portion of the intersection.

    What traffic study is the city using proving the need for a four, or three-way stop at this intersection? Where are the accident reports, traffic volume reports, etc. that the city is using to base it’s decision on?
    After all, the county requires a traffic study before it considers putting 4-way stops in. Again, where’s the study proving the need? And why are city officials using “speeding” as their only reason for the need to place a stop sign coming south on Holcomb, when speeding is not a consideration in four-way stop studies?

    The notion that a traffic engineer is needed “to see if it’s (a three way stop) a good idea for safety” is laughable!
    If “it’s just a speedway” and people are not obeying traffic laws now, then why would any city official propose making a 4-way “speedway” intersection an unsafe 3-way stop? “Obeying laws” is an enforcement problem, not a stop sign problem.
    This is the price the city pays for getting rid of it’s police department. The city is now getting the same sporadic speed enforcement that township residents pay for. Welcome to our world!

  2. Cory Johnston   January 25, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    The right question is being asked but unfortunately they are going to ask the wrong people. The Road Commission, along with MDOT, want to move as much traffic as possible as fast as possible. That is commerce, that’s what pays for roads. Building a strong, safe community is not what they do. MDOT is actually a little better because so many state roads go through communities like Clarkston. Hopefully the goal of the City of the Village of Clarkston is not to have as many vehicles drive through as quickly as possible as that does very little to benefit the city and the people that live and visit here. There is also the undeniable fact that the Road Commission and MDOT pay for the maintenance of the roads under their jurisdiction while the city taxpayers pay for both those and all the streets in the city. So when people “speed” on North Holcomb, Miller and other city controlled streets to avoid the traffic on Washington and Main Street, the city incurs all the costs. There is also the fact that the city streets currently allow for that traffic and speeding. That is a problem the Road Commission is not going to fix for the city because it is not the Road Commission’s problem. The city unfortunately has no other plan, no policy, little enforcement, even less expertise, and has historically rejected all attempts to correct the problem. If anyone in the city government reads this, please look up “traffic calming” and do a little homework before doing anything else.


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